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The issue with Dan Rather at CBS has nothing to do with bloggers! How did you pull that one out?
Also, when one media outlet fails to provide the public with actual news, a new outlet naturally emerges. Blogs, like Ashvegas, fill a void that has been growing since news and advertisers stop screwing behind closed doors. I see more of a journalist in Ash then I do with the talking heads on WLOS, or CNN, or Fox, etc.
Just because you have a camera and a site on the internet, that doesn’t make you a journalist. Bloggers don’t have to worry about FCC violations, slander lawsuits, etc. Need I bring up the Dan Rather incident at CBS as an example of Bloggers being actual "journalists"?
Just something to think about Ash.
Yes, Clocky, they have to worry about the ratings because among other things, the ad agencies that buy spots base their buys on the ratings. And it’s not so much the other stations’ newscasts that take away the WNC viewers as it is all those other channels of Family Guy or Law & Order or PTI or the Philip Fulmer Show or whatever’s scattered "around the dial."
And while it would be nice if it weren’t the case, it takes money to make a news show (or newspaper or a blog (at least one on Squarespace) or a radio newscast or a magazine). And–with rare exceptions–nobody pays you to propagate your particular view of the news just because they like you. They expect somebody to be watching/listening/reading in order to be a potential customer.
Does WLOS have to worry about Nielsen Ratings? If so, why?
Do the Nielsen Ratings determine ad rates?
Aren’t they pretty much "the news" (as far as local TV news) in WNC?
Do some WNC residents tune in to Upstate SC news? I rarely watch any of these, but if I wanted to see local (to WNC) news, I wouldn’t go to WSPA or WYFF.
Oh, snap!
=WL=
They have more legal concerns that a blog does was my point melissa.
Does ashevegas have a lawyer on 24/7 standby the way every single TV station I’ve worked for does? Of course not.
The point is TV news has rules that Ash doesn’t get saddled with.
They have fixed times which are the only times they can report news. That means blogs almost always beat the local stations to their stories, since they don’t have to wait for the 11 pm news or the 5 pm news to report it.
And a lot of times stations know of these stories, and just don’t have the A) Time in the show or B) percieved viewer interest to fit them in right away.
Ash doesn’t have to worry about neilsen ratings, and his readers are not your average viewer.
But while I have your attention, please tell your web editor at the CT to stop pre-dating his web stories to make it seem like they were reported earlier than they actually were. It’s a breach of journalistic ethics. Like a few months back when a story was posted about an event that happened at 4…and yet was web time stamped at 3:15…..
It’s getting a little out of hand over at the Citizen Time(machine)s.
A to the P: Huh.
So you think TV is running its copy by lawyers before they run it, on some kind of regular basis?
Having worked at the C-T for many years, I can tell you that print stories rarely have to be vetted by lawyers, unless they are huge, controversial investigative reports.
I don’t recall seeing much of that on local TV news lately, but perhaps you’re a more avid watcher than I.
Perhaps they have loads of investigative reports just waiting for their esquire’s OK…
It is a small town and there’s often not much news to go around. Take it as a compliment that they’re reading, watching, and responding.
you all make great points, although Still Learning obviously is still learning about what news is.
Gordon, you’re right about journalists being defensive. but that’s just a reaction to highly critical bloggers that don’t operate by the same rules. i don’t see many blogs being cited as sources in many stories, but it’s just good journalistic practice to use every source available to get the news, right?
In the Know, you’re right.
thanks, non mouse!
Don, you’re right. i’m making a note – less time on my greatness, more time on my observations, etc. and yes, for TV, it’s all about immediacy. same for blogs, no?
A to the P, you’re correct that i don’t "own" any news. but it’s the intellectual theft that i’m complaining about, and i’m not being paranoid. WLOSers should find and report their stories their way, instead of following, sometimes word for word, what they see in blogs or newspapers.
News happens. Just because you report it first doesn’t mean everyone else is ripping you off.
It means without deadlines, you can post stuff as soon as it happens.
Without shows to format, you don’t have to worry about cutting content for time, so you can write about as many things as you want.
You don’t have take the time fact check your news and run it by lawyers to prevent lawsuits. When your wrong you just shut down the comment functions or post a mini update.
etc.etc.
I mean, this is getting a little paranoid ash. News happens, and blogs always get print it first, for all the reasons above. That doesn’t mean that they "own" it or a television station is spying on them and stealing their stories, lol.
I’m an avid reader of Ashevegas and it’s one of many news sources I view daily. I dont own a television and thus dont watch WLOS.
While Asehvegas is a great blog, it comes off a bit presumptious (leaning toward arrogant) whenever I hear one media source trying to "dis" other media entities. Different media have different purposes and serve differing markets.
New Media (like blogs) have a valid role to play in conveying opinion and information. Old Media (like tv newscasts) will continue to provide a valued (if diminished) service.
In some ways it’s similar to when TV arrived and provided a completely different medium than radio. Radio continued to exist and has played vital role for 50 years following the introduction of TV. Admittedly radio’s role and impact has changed and is greatly challenged today. In the same way, TV is challenged in some ways by the blogosphere but will continue to play a role for years to come.
I enjoy Ashevegas most when it’s reporting on news and making observations on local culture. Trying to belittle local television is entertaining to a degree, but after a while it becomes old and repetitive. It’s like a comedian who tells the same joke night after night after night after night.
Keep up the great coverage and photos Ashevegas….you dont need to spend much time belittling other media or tooting your own horn too loudly. Leave that role to us readers who enjoy your work and start each day with Ashevegas, coffee, and a Dunkin Donut…..
Oh, they confirmed it… right here
Not to say they are right or wrong, but having previous TV news experience, sometimes stories aren’t done until the event happens, such as the Dunkin Donuts and the Avl Film Fest. It’s easy for print to do previews, but with TV, you kinda need video to support it. This means that you do it once it happens.
I will admit though, it does look like they ripped the smoke stacks and restaurant upheaval story. And just because one paper may have it doesn’t mean that they ripped it, they may just have gotten a call and confirmed it themselves.
To some Yankees (and a few natives) that Dunkin store was worth following.
It’s development, it’s culture (my New York childhood was replete with trips to Dunkin) and it also made for some great photos.
I’m not a doughnut freak, but I understand the enthusiasm — it’s close to how I’d feel if a Louis Vuitton, Stella McCartney or Marc Jacobs store came to town.
So if a succulent doughnut and a tasty coffee floats your boat in a time when you’re paying 3-plus bucks per gallon for gas, and the president is a lamebrain, and thousands of soldiers are dying for no good reason, I say go for yours. Enjoy life’s small pleasures.
Just maybe run around the block a few times after you scarf that stuff down…
I love this (via AMERICAblog):
http://www.americablog.com/2007/11/84-percent-of-journalists-say-they.html
"According to the Arketi Group 2007 Web Watch Survey, 84 percent of journalists say they would or already have used blogs as a primary or secondary source for articles. 100% of those (journalists) surveyed say they rely on the Internet to help get their job done. One-quarter of journalists say blogs make their job easier, while 18 percent say instant messaging makes their job easier."
Journalists bemoan the lack of standards in the blogosphere, and they get really upset, really fast whenever anything less than fawning is said about their work by we low-rent bloggahs. They can’t stay away though, and they can’t stop using us. We’ve been using them since day one, of course, and it’s nice to see the feeling’s become mutual even if they hide their love away.
You’ve "been on" the Dunkin Donuts story for weeks?
How funny and sad is that?
I read your blog. I have been for quite some time now and I love it! I do not watch wlos, it is in a word, lame. You may as well call it channel one like the school children watch.
The ride along you covered was an exceptional piece and very unbiased, just the facts with lots of flavor. They should try covering something as indepth. Ha! Not likely!
Keep up the good work and your photograhpy is heads and shoulders above everyone.
o yeah.
But, they don’t read your blog. They said so themselves.
Uh huh.